it cannot raise the debt ceiling. there is nothing they could possibly do in this discussion between the senate and the house that would raise the debt ceiling. and these guys don't even know that. >> well, and the other thing, it comes on the heels of what has been one of the favorite talking points of some of the same people on the right for the last few years. those senate democrats, they won't pass a budget. it's been 800 days. it's been 900 days. they passed a budget. this is the next step. >> yeah, exactly. up with steve, saturdays and sundays at 8:00 a.m. eastern. steve, thank you very much. >> sure. >>> coming up in the rewrite, atheism scores a big political victory, and the pope finds common ground with atheists. [ lisa ] my name's lisa, and chantix helped me quit. i honestly loved smoking, and i honestly didn't think i would ever quit. [ male announcer ] along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. it reduces the urge to smoke. it put me at ease that you could smoke on th